Spoiler alert! This post contains details from the first five episodes of ghosts Season 4.
Four seasons later, the ghosts at Woodstone Mansion are still finding new tricks to get into.
Thursday's episode on CBS ghosts Watch as Alberta (Danielle Pinnock) helps Sam (Rose McIver) prepare to audition for a local musical, overcome stage fright and fulfill a decades-old dream of being front and center on stage. All the while, Trevor (Asher Grodman) and Sassapes (Roman Zaragoza) are trying to make a move on one of the women in the theater group, which doesn't go well considering they're dead.
However, Sass finds a ray of hope when he meets the woman in Jai's dream (Utkarsh Ambudkar) and convinces himself that he has found a loophole. That is until he starts talking about what they have in common, and Trevor and Pete (Richie Moriarty) realize that Sass isn't dating a new woman after all. He's actually just dating Jay.
In the interview below, Grodman spoke with Deadline about Trevor's involvement in the somewhat awkward SAS reveal that's been reflected in Season 4 so far, which has already included a big storyline for Trevor, who learns in Episode 4 that even though he's dead, he's still capable On becoming very big in the world of finance.
DEADLINE: What have you enjoyed most about the season so far?
Asher Grodman: Patience was a lot of fun. Anytime we can delve into American history, it's always fun. It was fun to have a villain for a few weeks. “Work decline” [Episode 4] It was really interesting and fun to have these three storylines blend in and influence each other, between Trevor and Isaac's job and their new 'do's', and of course all the rumours. I thought the episode came out really well. I thought Katie Luke O'Brien, who directed it, just knocked it out of the park, and the writers did a fantastic job. From Trevor's selfish point of view, it's a lot of fun. He has to go on a nice trip. Usually a lot of what we do is teamwork, trying to tell a joke and trying to make a scene. But it was fun to be able to track this huge arc of his. It gets dark, it gets cheery, it gets funny, and it's just a really creative premise.
DEADLINE: What do you make of the revelation that Trevor is a big deal in the world of finance?
Grodman: From Trevor's point of view, there's something dream-like about this, where I feel like we all hope and dream that we'll leave some kind of impact behind, but because of the nature of our show, these ghosts remain forever, so small and insignificant, confined to this one place and not… No impact on the world. For someone like Trevor, who I think more than any other ghost, because he died recently, was desperately trying to connect with the living world as much as possible, whether it was through dating apps or communicating with his brother or his parents… For someone in this position living this existence Quite young in the afterlife, so desperate to connect and be part of the world he left behind, I think that was a really profound and exciting experience. Oddly enough, all the things he might have prioritized in life are not the things that made an impact.
DEADLINE: I hope it stays a recurring joke that Trevor has a remote job, because I can only imagine the shenanigans that would ensue.
Grodman: I hope so too. It's a fun idea. Lord knows Sam and Jay could use some money. So it would be fun to have that ghost walking around with a lot of cash. I think the show, fundamentally, has a lot of fun trying to push the boundaries [between] The living and the dead, and then different time periods and all that. So the idea that he's in the corner using all his strength to continue his daily work is pretty funny. I would love to keep exploring it.
DEADLINE: I love that he calls Sam and Jay “Mom and Dad.” I know he settled the deal with his reward, but what do you think it means to him that the two of them are willing to put in all that effort for him?
Grodman: I love that mother and father and the various crazy kids dynamic, because there's something about these ghosts that feels like they're all kids in their parents' house and don't yet have the ability to live in the real world, so they're just causing chaos. So I think that dynamic is an accurate reflection of what we play with. I can see a world where someone could say, “Maybe Sam needs some help…to have some boundaries,” but at the same time, I'm getting a deep touch here. I think we all have this loneliness that walks around with us, and the idea of - it's almost like the imaginary friend thing, and the idea of different personalities and aspects of us existing within us. I think ghosts He finds a sense of family through loneliness, if that makes sense, because there are all these very disparate characters. So the idea of them fully committing to helping one of these ghosts, I think there's a level of intimacy and familiality. It's the excitement of what could happen. And the poor guy is coming along with him. So, the really big question is, what's Jay's perspective on all of this? Because he earned the least he could earn. Well, he has the money, but he can't experience the journey. I think in this one, he did that, didn't he? He has to walk in Trevor's shoes one day.
DEADLINE: I agree with your point about the series being a physical representation of what it means to feel seen.
Grodman: It's almost like a physical manifestation of your inner reality, where you'll have these different personalities that kind of live inside you, but then you live them outside of you, and you're able to see the world… It's kind of a fun, lively playground. Obviously this isn't all that Sam has in mind, but I think there's a really interesting family thing going on, and you'll do your best to help them.
DEADLINE: Speaking of Jay, what do you think of the plot in this episode where Sass kind of has a crush on him, via this woman in his dream?
Grodman: Well, I think given the fact that we're all so deeply connected to each other, it falls into this world. It's very fun. What was really fun about it was almost like a middle school or high school vibe, like him coming up to his friends, like, “This is what I'm going through.” I like this girl, and then I kind of help him find that perspective. Roman does a great job with the story…there are no limits anymore. So this is definitely the road we crossed, probably one of the last walls built. All I can say is for poor Jay.
DEADLINE: When Trevor finally points out that Sass likes Jay, Pete says he's a little jealous. But I don't think Trevor ever says how he feels about this situation. Do you have ideas?
Grodman: I think Trevor is constantly looking for fun, so for him, it's very exciting, just the novelty of what's going on, having this deep admiration for the friendship with Jay. I think this might upset Trevor a little bit, but the idea of Sass being turned upside down and unwittingly dating him, oh my God. What friend wouldn't enjoy a little suffering?
DEADLINE: At first, he seems a little jealous that Sass might hook up with this woman they both had crushes on. Does reality exonerate him a little?
Grodman: Very true, very true. I think there's an interesting dynamic with Sass where he's obviously been around a lot longer than Trevor, but there's a little brother quality to it. So I'm sure there was a little bit of jealousy, like in the moment where he thought, “How did I pull this off?” But yeah, the opposite because Trevor won't date Jay. But getting into someone's dream would definitely be right up Trevor's alley.
DEADLINE: So, what can you tease about these next few episodes, especially the Christmas episode?
Grodman: So you know there's dual possession, right? This is not news. I can tell you that there are some shows in this dual possession episode that are off the charts, and I can't wait for people to see them. I will say that. Next week has a really cool story, a kind of meditation on pets, which I really liked. What's next? We meet Jay's family at Christmas.
[Jay seeing ghosts] It's going to be a lot of fun, especially because he understands, like a small segment of us, and then the juxtaposition between his expectations and reality, I think they do a really good job and it's fun to play with them, so I can bring that up as well.
DEADLINE: Is there more backstory for Trevor?
There's some fun backstory for Trevor in Episode 6. Trevor has this kind of unique thing where he often feels like the guy least likely to get sweetness from him, if that makes sense, which makes him kind of, I think, fun to get some sweetness from . So, we'll get to a little bit of that in Episode 6… There's a lot I want to tell you, but I can't.
